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Richard Stallman's Personal SiteIn the 1970s we had a name for politicians with policies like Obama's: Republicans.Therefore, Jill Stein for PresidentRSS site feed for the most recent political notes and news items.

This is the personal web site of Richard Stallman.
The views expressed here are my personal views, not those of the Free Software Foundation or the GNU Project.
The largest part of the site is the political notes, and they are typically updated every day.
I am trying to make a list of the photos people like best, among those I have taken and posted here. Please look in the Photos directory and email rms at gnu period org with the URLs of your favorites. Please give the path to the full size image and not the web page the image resides in.
I am looking for some who would like to organize a Grav-mass celebration in Boston or New York City next December 25th. If you are interested, please write to rms at gnu period org.
Latimes.com just announced it would put up a paywall. Please look through the past political notes for links to latimes.com and try to find replacement links. Send any links you find to rms at gnu period org.
The Independent also has a paywall, so links to independent.co.uk are probably broken now. If you can find the updated URLs at The Independent for links in the Political Notes, please send them to rms at gnu period org.
NYTimes.com has a paywall, but it makes an exception for incoming links (their so-called "social-media exception"). Due to this, it is okay to link to articles on nytimes.com.
My policy for links is that you should be able to follow the link and see the article without identifying yourself. I don't reject a site for asking general questions, such as your zip code, though I would not criticize you for giving false answers. I don't reject a site on account of other bad practices, but you might want to customize your browser to protect yourself. The LibreJS program will do parts of the job.
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    Also please sign this petition, directed at Obama.
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    Here's a little more information, but I can't recommend you sign it since it requires running nonfree Javascript.
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Recording of GuantanameroListen to the recording of Guantanamero, a protest song written in Spanish. The recording is in Ogg Vorbis format. To install an Ogg Vorbis player, see the FSF's Ogg Players page.There Ought to Be a Law
If a company has changed its name within the past 5 years, or if a substantial part of it was acquired from another company, it should be legally required to include a statement with the old name in all its publications, announcements, and paid publicity. This would foilcompanies like Blackwater and Philip Morris that change their names to escape the odium of their past deeds.
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The Mimi and Eunice book by Nina Paley is great.
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Here are some quotations that I particularly like.

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Facebook's face recognition demonstrates a threat to everyone's privacy. I therefore ask people not to put photos of me on Facebook; you can do likewise.
Of course, Facebook is bad for many other reasons as well.

Boycott Harry Potter Books, Movies, etc.See harry-potter.html.
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I'd like to make a list of countries that do not require a national identity card, and have no plans to adopt one. If you live in or have confirmed knowledge of such a country, please send email to rms at gnu.org.
Here's my list of countries with no national ID cards and no plans for one: Australia, Canada, Ireland, New Zealand, UK, the Philippines, and Switzerland. Australia's previous government tried to institute national ID cards, but the Labor government dropped the plan.
India is now trying to institute national ID cards. Support the campaign against them.
Austria doesn't require people to have a national ID card, but requires people to notify the police of where they are staying even for 3 days.
Finland, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, and Iceland don't have ID cards as such, but they have ID numbers that citizens are forced to use frequently. For example, in Iceland the national ID number is often required to rent a video or use a gym.
Wikipedia has a list of identity card policies by country.

Borders
Stay away from certain countries because of their bad immigration policies.

Flight connections
Avoid flight connections in these airports because of their treatment of passengers.

The Lifelong ActivistPeople often ask how I manage to continue devoting myself to progressive activism (such as the free software movement) for years without burning out. The best way I can answer is by recommending a book, The Lifelong Activist by Hillary Rettig.
I disagree with the book on one theoretical point in the last part of the book: we shouldn't think of political activism as beingmarketing and sales, because those terms refer to business, and politics is something much more important than mere business. However, this doesn't diminish the value of the book's practical advice about borrowing techniques from marketing and sales.
Disclosure: I am friends with the author.


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These are my political articles that are not related to the GNU operating system or free software. For GNU-related articles, see the GNU philosophy directory. You can also order copies of my book, 'Free Software, Free Society, 2nd edition', signed or not signed.
Political notes
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"Those who profess to favor freedom, yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will."
Frederick Douglass, American Abolitionist, Letter to an associate, 1849


Here are notes about various issues I care about, usually with links to more information. The first file is the current one; go there to see the latest notes. 

Current (2012 January - April) | 2011 September - December | 2011 May - August | 2011 January - April | 2010 September - December | 2010 May - August | 2010 January - April | 2009 September - December |2009 May - August | 2009 January - April | 2008 September - December | 2008 May - August | 2008 January - April | 2007 September - December | 2007 May - August | 2007 January - April | 2006 September- December | 2006 May - August | 2006 January - April | 2005 September - December | 2005 May - August | 2005 January - April | 2004 September - December | 2004 May - August | 2004 January - April | 2003 September - December | 2003 May - August | 2003 January - April 2004 January - April | 2003 November - February | 2003 September - December | 2003 May - August | 2003 January - April | 2002 | 2001 | 2000]
Political notes about the 2001 G8 summit in Genoa, Italy are being archived on their own page
Travel experiencesSpeaking SchedulePhotos about my travelsScientific Linksa Serious Bio
Richard Matthew Stallman is a software developer and software freedom activist. In 1983 he announced the project to develop the GNU operating system, a Unix-like operating system meant to be entirely free software, and has been the project's leader ever since. With that announcement Stallman also launched the Free Software Movement. In October 1985 he started the Free Software Foundation.
The GNU/Linux system, which is a variant of GNU that also uses the kernel Linux developed by Linus Torvalds, are used in tens or hundreds of millions of computers, and are now preinstalled in computers available in retail stores. However, the distributors of these systems often disregard the ideas of freedom which make free software important.
That is why, since the mid-1990s, Stallman has spent most of his time in political advocacy for free software, and spreading the ethical ideas of the movement, as well as campaigning against both software patents and dangerous extension of copyright laws. Before that, Stallman developed a number of widely used software components of the GNU system, including the original Emacs, the GNU Compiler Collection, the GNU symbolic debugger (gdb)GNU Emacs, and various other programs for the GNU operating system.
Stallman pioneered the concept of copyleft, and is the main author of the GNU General Public License, the most widely used free software license.
Stallman gives speeches frequently about free software and related topics. Common speech titles include "The GNU Operating System and the Free Software movement", "The Dangers of Software Patents", and "Copyright and Community in the Age of the Computer Networks". A fourth common topic consists of explaining the changes in version 3 of the GNU General Public License, which was released in June 2007.
In 1999, Stallman called for development of a free on-line encyclopedia through the means of inviting the public to contribute articles.
After personal meetings, Stallman has obtained positive statements about free software from the then-President of India, Dr. A.P.J. Abdul Kalam, from French 2007 presidential candidate Ségolène Royal, and from the president of Ecuador Rafael Correa. In Venezuela, Stallman has promoted the adoption of free software in the state's oil company (PDVSA), in municipal government, and in the nation's military.
Stallman's writings on free software issues can be found in Free Software, Free Society (GNU Press, ISBN 1-882114-98-1). He has received the following awards:
  • 1986: Honorary life time membership in the Chalmers Computer Society
  • 1990: Receives a MacArthur Foundation Fellowship
  • 1990: The Association for Computing Machinery's Grace Murray Hopper Award "For pioneering work in the development of the extensible editor EMACS (Editing Macros)."
  • 1996: Honorary doctorate from Sweden's Royal Institute of Technology
  • 1998: Electronic Frontier Foundation's Pioneer award
  • 1999: Yuri Rubinsky Memorial Award
  • 2001: The Takeda Techno-Entrepreneurship Award for Social/Economic Well-Being
  • 2001: Honorary doctorate from the University of Glasgow
  • 2002: United States National Academy of Engineering membership
  • 2003: Honorary doctorate from the Vrije Universiteit Brussel
  • 2003: Honorary professorship from the Universidad Nacional de Ingeniería del Perú
  • 2004: Honorary doctorate from the Universidad Nacional de Salta, in Argentina
  • 2004: Honorary professorship from the Universidad Tecnológica del Perú
  • 2005: Fundazione Pistoletto prize
  • 2007: Honorary professorship from the Universidad Inca Garcilaso de la Vega, in Peru
  • 2007: First Premio Iternacional Extremadura al Conocimiento Libre
  • 2007: Honorary doctorate from the Universidad de Los Angeles de Chimbote, in Peru
  • 2007: Honorary doctorate from the University of Pavia
  • 2008: Honorary doctorate from the Universidad Nacional de Trujillo, in Peru
  • 2009: Honorary doctor of science degree from Lakehead University in Canada
  • 2008: Honorary doctorate from the Universidad Nacional de Córdoba, in Argentina

Stallman graduated from Harvard in 1974 with a BA in physics. During his college years, he also worked as a staff hacker at the MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab, learning operating system development by doing it. He wrote the first extensible Emacs text editor there in 1975. He also developed the AI technique of dependency-directed backtracking, also known as truth maintenance. In January 1984 he resigned from MIT to start the GNU project.
Richard Stallman's 1983 biography
(this biography was published in the first edition of "The Hacker's Dictionary".)
I was built at a laboratory in Manhattan around 1953, and moved to the MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab in 1971. My hobbies include affection, international folk dance, flying, cooking, physics, recorder, puns, science fiction fandom, and programming; I magically get paid for doing the last one. About a year ago i split up with the PDP-10 computer to which I was married for ten years. We still love each other, but the world is taking us in different directions. For the moment I still live in Cambridge, Massachusetts, among our old memories. "Richard Stallman" is just my mundane name; you can call me "rms".
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 (jpeg 64k) There is a black-and-white photograph of me as a 5820K Encapsulated Postscript file, a 3762K JPEG file, and a 5815K TIFF file.
Here is a color photo in JPEG format.
 Here is a more recent photo.
Photos and drawings
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"You assist an evil system most effectively by obeying its orders and decrees. An evil system never deserves such allegiance. Allegiance to it means partaking of the evil. A good person will resist an evil system with his or her whole soul."
-Mahatma Gandhi


A photo taken by Bill Ebbesen at the Danish Technical University on 2007/03/31. It is free to use and redistribute (placed in the public domain worldwide by the original copyright holder).

Photos from Copyright vs. Community event, Jan 31, 2008.
photo from a recent interview.
photo of RMS with a large "aureole" by Roberto Brenlla.
An imaginative painting of Richard Stallman, by Jin Wicked.
Another drawing of me, by Banlu Kemiyatorn.


Some humor
Here I am wearing my "power tie".
Here I am struggling to open a bottle of water.
My application to an join Marian Henley's Ex Boyfriends List
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Linguistic Swifties
What Republicans Believe.
I am a saint, in the Church of Emacs--Saint IGNUcius. The Church of Emacs will soon be officially listed by at least one person as his religion for census purposes.
There are no godfathers in the Church of Emacs, since there are no gods, but you can be someone's editorfather.
You can find jokes about me by other people in stallmanfacts.com. However, if a joke describes any software as "open" or "closed", please vote it down.
Stallman Does Dallas: "I have to warn you that Texans have been known to have an adverse reaction to my personality . . . "
The Dalai Lama today announced the official release of Yellow Hat GNU/Linux.
Pre-Zen Studies.
I found A funny song about the Mickey Mouse Copyright Act (officially the Sonny Bono Copyright Act) which extended copyright retroactively by 20 years on works made as early as the 1920s.
If you are a geek and read Spanish, you will love Raulito el Friki, who said "Hello, world!" immediately after he was born. Here's an archive of this now-defunct comic strip.
Here's someone else's humor about me. The statements attributed to me are quoted out of context from my info packet for people organizing my speeches.
Sleeping with Stallman at MIT.
Un malentendido gracioso.
Here's an April Fool about me. I don't know who wrote it, but I think it's funny.
Fiction
A science fiction story: Jinnetic Engineering (in PortugueseFarsiSpanishArmenianRussianFrench, and Italian).
The Right to Read
Books
My books on the Philosophy of Software Freedom, available from the GNU Press.
Non-Political Articles
Quantum Theory and Abortion Rights
proposal for gender neutrality in Spanish, suitable for both speech and writing.
Origin of the POSIX name.
On Hacking: In June 2000, while visiting Korea, I did a fun hack that clearly illustrates the original and true meaning of the word "hacker".
My Childhood Sweetheart
Predicting the attack on Pearl Harbor
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  • Victor Cortiano, T.F. Torrey, William Demchick, Lake Denman, Jeff Sites, and Scott Monahan for installing new text.
  • Mark Eriksen for providing the new search feature.
  • Craig Metrolis for working on making pages valid html.
  • John C. Vernaleo for helping to run the site.
  • Graziano Sorbaioli for improving the layout of the main page.


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Facebook: Releasing your personal data reveals our trade secretsBy Emil Protalinski | October 12, 2011, 11:27am PDT
Summary: Facebook says it is not required to give you a copy of some of your personal data as it could adversely affect the company’s trade secrets and intellectual property.
Update: I followed up with both organizations. See Facebook: The law reasonably states you can’t have all your data and Europe versus Facebook: The law protects program logic, not data.
An Austrian group called Europe versus Facebook has so far made 22 complaints regarding the social network’s practices. In the process, the organization has stumbled upon an important tidbit: Facebook says it is not required to give you a copy of some of your personal data if it deems doing so would adversely affect its trade secrets or intellectual property.
On its website, Europe versus Facebook shows how to request a copy of your personal data on the social network. It explains that because of Ireland’s 1988 Data Protection Act (DPA), Facebook has to send you your data on a CD within 40 days of a request.
The organization managed to accidentally get Reddit involved, whose users recently overwhelmed Facebook with data requests by following a slightly altered version of the instructions. The company was forced to e-mail all users requesting data to say it was experiencing a significant delay in processing the requests and will be unlikely to respond within 40 days of the initial request.
Before Reddit found out about Facebook’s request tool, Max Schrems of Europe versus Facebook managed to receive a reply to his request. It was in the form of a CD-ROM storing over 1,222 pages. As he looked through the ridiculously long document however, Schrems noticed that important information was missing, and so he contacted Facebook again asking for the remaining data. Here’s Facebook response:
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Dear Mr. Schrems:
We refer to our previous correspondence and in particular your subject access request dated July 11, 2011 (the Request).
To date, we have disclosed all personal data to which you are entitled pursuant to Section 4 of the Irish Data Protection Acts 1988 and 2003 (the Acts).
Please note that certain categories of personal data are exempted from subject access requests.
Pursuant to Section 4(9) of the Acts, personal data which is impossible to furnish or which can only be furnished after disproportionate effort is exempt from the scope of a subject access request. We have not furnished personal data which cannot be extracted from our platform in the absence of is proportionate effort.
Section 4(12) of the Acts carves out an exception to subject access requests where the disclosures in response would adversely affect trade secrets or intellectual property. We have not provided any information to you which is a trade secret or intellectual property of Facebook Ireland Limited or its licensors.
Please be aware that we have complied with your subject access request, and that we are not required to comply with any future similar requests, unless, in our opinion, a reasonable period of time has elapsed.
Thanks for contacting Facebook,
Facebook User Operations Data Access Request Team




When Reddit users started getting e-mails from Facebook about a delay for their data requests, Schrems got one as well. He also got the response above, but I only picked up on it now, afterTechDirt linked to the a PDF of both e-mails.
It’s worth noting that also last month, Billy Hawkes, Ireland’s Data Protection Commissioner, announced that he will conduct a privacy audit of Facebook’s activities. Since Facebook’s international headquarters is in Dublin, all users outside the US and Canada could be affected by his findings.
His office decided to investigate the company after Europe versus Facebook’s 22 complaints were covered repeatedly in the media. For reference again, here are all the complaints:
  1. Pokes are kept even after the user “removes” them.
  2. Facebook is collecting data about people without their knowledge. This information is used to substitute existing profiles and to create profiles of non-users.
  3. Tags are used without the specific consent of the user. Users have to “untag” themselves (opt-out). Note: Facebook has announced changes for this.
  4. Facebook is gathering personal data e.g. via its iPhone-App or the “friend finder”. This data is used by Facebook without the consent of the data subjects.
  5. Postings that have been deleted showed up in the set of data that was received from Facebook.
  6. Users cannot see the settings under which content is distributed that they post on other’s pages.
  7. Messages (incl. Chat-Messages) are stored by Facebook even after the user “deleted” them. This means that all direct communication on Facebook can never be deleted.
  8. The privacy policy is vague, unclear and contradictory. If European and Irish standards are applied, the consent to the privacy policy is not valid. Facebook tried improving it earlier this year.
  9. The new face recognition feature is an disproportionate violation of the users right to privacy. Proper information and an unambiguous consent of the users is missing.
  10. Access Requests have not been answered fully. Many categories of information are missing.
  11. Tags that were “removed” by the user, are only deactivated but saved by Facebook.
  12. In its terms, Facebook says that it does not guarantee any level of data security.
  13. Applications of “friends” can access data of the user. There is no guarantee that these applications are following European privacy standards.
  14. All removed friends are stored by Facebook. This was reconfirmed recently.
  15. Facebook is hosting enormous amounts of personal data and it is processing all data for its own purposes. It seems Facebook is a prime example of illegal “excessive processing”.
  16. Facebook is running an opt-out system instead of an opt-in system, which is required by European law.
  17. The Like Button is creating extended user data that can be used to track users all over the internet. There is no legitimate purpose for the creation of the data. Users have not consented to the use.
  18. Facebook has certain obligations as a provider of a “cloud service” (e.g. not using third party data for its own purposes or only processing data when instructed to do so by the user).
  19. The privacy settings only regulate who can see the link to a picture. The picture itself is “public” on the internet. This makes it easy to circumvent the settings.
  20. Facebook is only deleting the link to pictures. The pictures are still public on the internet for a certain period of time (more than 32 hours).
  21. Users can be added to groups without their consent. Users may end up in groups that lead other to false impressions about a person.
  22. The policies are changed very frequently, users do not get properly informed, they are not asked to consent to new policies.

The Irish Data Protection Commissioner will have a tough time going through all of these complaints. Still, I would argue it will be even more difficult for Facebook to show that sending you certain parts of your personal data “would adversely affect trade secrets or intellectual property.”
I have contacted Facebook for more information about this issue and will update this article if I hear back.
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RE: Facebook: Releasing your personal data reveals our trade secrets
Devdd 26th Dec


@DaemonSlayer No one sells your data. For centuries, people have tried to connect the manufactures of goods to the people who might be interested in doing so. Running advanced statistics on the data... Read Whole Comment +

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then again, you have the option not to use Facebook




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@tatiGmail - This is the option I choose. Besides, owning your own server is far more rewarding 








 
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reviewsgirl Updated - 12th Oct


@LinuxRocks Regardless Facebook needs to get its act together. The same tools they are using to gather information are the same tools hackers are using to hack other people. Just last week I got the Guard Online Virus and had to visit that site just to remove it.. What a pain... I truly believe they have the talent and the know how to make FB a lot safer and for some reason they do nothing.






 
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@tatiGmail My preferred choice also.






 
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thibaulthalpern 23rd Oct


@LinuxRocks How is owning one's own server necessarily more rewarding? Many of us DON'T want to fiddly around with the technology. Geeks like you do and that's fine. But don't assume that everyone else necessarily wants to do it!






 
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RE: Facebook: Releasing your personal data reveals our trade secrets
wrcousert 12th Oct


@tatiGmail Who needs Facebook? Use Wordpress or some other blogging package.







 
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You all are fools
xangpow 12th Oct


@wrcousert people who write blogs are writers that couldn't make it in the real world. losers.






 
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it is worst
magallanes 12th Oct


@tatiGmail 

I never ever used facebook, but usually i receive facebook email about some people that i know it.







 
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phoenix.54@... 12th Oct


@magallanes I don't like using FB just for this reason. I have nothing to hide but if your information get into the wrong hands they can use it against you! When another program similar to FB comes out i will be letting my friends and contacts know. I get some stuff done on FB. but very limited and going to be less....much less I like my privacy to much! And i do get people sending me stuff that i never heard of.






 
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edv@... 12th Oct


@tatiGmail It doesn't matter if I have the option or not. Facebok is breaking laws. In general it is time that steeling data gets the same penalty as steeling property.







 
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RE: Facebook: Releasing your personal data reveals our trade secrets
newbedave 14th Oct


@edv@... Facebook no better then wall-street bankers 
stolen property is stolen money






 
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RE: Facebook: Releasing your personal data reveals our trade secrets
slingzenarrowzuvowtrayjissforchin 12th Oct


@tatiGmail - That's exactly correct. And that's precisely what I have chosen to do. If it ended there, fair enough.

Alas, apparently it doesn't end there. If Facebook retains my "deleted" data and uses it without my consent, then they're not really even a true "opt-out" service, after all. If there's no way to delete my data once they have it, and they continue to use it without my consent, they're no better than a common thief.

No, wait...they're worse than that; they're thieves masquerading as a legitimate service provider. And if "deleting" my data doesn't actually end up deleting it, then they're liars into the bargain.

I've said this before, and each new discovery about Facebook's operations and policies increasingly convinces me that it's true: Facebook is headed for a fall.







 
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declutterbug51 12th Oct


@slingzenarrowzuvowtrayjissforchin YEP!






 
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RE: Facebook: Releasing your personal data reveals our trade secrets
newbedave 14th Oct


@slingzenarrowzuvowtrayjissforchin Facebook no better then wall-street bankers






 
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wanna bet
ZombyWulf 12th Oct


Facebook is collecting data about people without their knowledge. This information is used to substitute existing profiles and to create profiles of non-users.







 
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krzyst0ff Updated - 12th Oct


unless you've opted-in to Facebook, and then opted-out by deleting your profile -- what then ? does all your data disappear, I suspect they will keep it all anyway.

it's ironic, that when China blocked Facebook many times in recent years, the rest of the World protests about rights and freedoms -- while China is blocking this (and other similar sites) for it's own nefarious, inscrutable agenda, it has unwittingly protected some of those rights of it's own citizens. 

one thing is for sure, many EU governments, along with South Korea, are likely to continue keeping Facebook under close surveillance for many years to come, or until it mends it's ways.







 
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RE: Facebook: Releasing your personal data reveals our trade secrets
frankerin 12th Oct


@tatiGmail Except for the many who used it before the sneaky bastids were found out. The point is that info cannot all be deleted, that you can't know what is kept hidden, or how it is or will be used.







 
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RE: Facebook: Releasing your personal data reveals our trade secrets
wright_is 12th Oct


@tatiGmail It is not enough. The "Like" button scripts embedded on third party sites can collect enough information about non-members to track them across the net as well, even if they can't immediately put a name to the surfer.

That is why it is illegal to have "Like" and +1 buttons on sites in Germany by default - the user has to explicitly enable them, they cannot just be displayed.







 
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RE: Facebook: Releasing your personal data reveals our trade secrets
delimitaciones 13th Oct


I wonder if the second point:
Facebook is collecting data about people without their knowledge. This information is used to substitute existing profiles and to create profiles of non-users.

Does it means that facebook will create a profile for every contact in the e-mail contact list and starting an indirect consumer tracking based on data fragments related with people with the same contacts, this could be helpful for marketing research, it's like if your contacts will help to fill the answers in the marketing form without you even know you are taking a survey.







 
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RE: Facebook: Releasing your personal data reveals our trade secrets
jollygreenguy@... 13th Oct


@delimitaciones I think you are right and as long as I cannot be personally identified, they can use it any way they want to - just my opinion.

In fact, I would rather facebook do it this way. But if some company figures out a way to associate me to that profile (Possibly by seeing my name on this site with a comment and the same exact comment is in the facebook database because zdnet has a 'like' button, a site uses OpenGraph or whatever the name of that facebook connect is, then there is a problem.

Yes, we all have the option to not use facebook, and I am one to believe in the philosophyof 'TANSTAAFL' - There Aint No Such Thing As A Free Lunch - something I learned in high school economics, I believe certain restrictions must be place on any data that can ever be personally identifiable.






 
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RE: Facebook: Releasing your personal data reveals our trade secrets
Pooua 13th Oct


@tatiGmail That option becomes harder to exercise every day. Several of my relatives and associates are on FB, and both send me messages through FB that I need to read. I also like to reply to online forums, but several forums have switched their login screens over exclusively to FB. Several online sites are FB partners, and many of them exchange their cookies with each other, meaning, among other things, that you don't even have to be on FB for them to be able to track you.







 
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RE: Facebook: Releasing your personal data reveals our trade secrets
smashandgrab 12th Oct


Facecrook seems to be the worst of these so called social networking sites. Facecrook users, do yourself a favor and stop using it.







 
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RE: Facebook: Releasing your personal data reveals our trade secrets
da philster 12th Oct


I can't see why anyone would possibly want to use this service .........







 
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RE: Facebook: Releasing your personal data reveals our trade secrets
Tholian_53 12th Oct


Just another reason I'll never be on any of these services. Here's hoping that legislation will burn them.







 
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RE: Facebook: Releasing your personal data reveals our trade secrets
jhimes Updated - 12th Oct


Facebook's version of "All your base belongs to us"?

Guess if you opt-in to use their Free Service, they are free to use your data as they please and to generate $$$ to keep providing you this free service.

Another non-user.







 
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but their service suck and is not vital.
magallanes 12th Oct


@jhimes 

I love Gmail and my business is pretty much based in Google (as @google.com or @) and is for free.







 
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RE: Facebook: Releasing your personal data reveals our trade secrets
namcats@... 12th Oct


Exactly why I refuse to use Facebook...







 
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RE: Facebook: Releasing your personal data reveals our trade secrets
alan pizzuto 12th Oct


Their attitude seems to be highly anti-social. I will never use their service. I mean, why would you even want to?







 
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RE: Facebook: Releasing your personal data reveals our trade secrets
kanank 12th Oct


I have a facebook account with a fake name and I rarely use it or have any facebook friends. Anyone with an itsy bitsy of brain would know not to use real name in facebook. If you do, you might as well dress up like a clown every day.







 
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RE: Facebook: Releasing your personal data reveals our trade secrets
fairportfan 12th Oct


@kanank 

Hey - Google+ doesn't even let you use a fake name...







 
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RE: Facebook: Releasing your personal data reveals our trade secrets
cartus91 12th Oct


Facecrook users, do yourself a favor and stop using it. filme online







 
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RE: Facebook: Releasing your personal data reveals our trade secrets
tluxon 12th Oct


I thought Facebook was just another front for the CIA (like Google - where do you think they got all those satellite images?) . The details this article brings out goes on the pile of evidence to that affect.







 
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RE: Facebook: Releasing your personal data reveals our trade secrets
belli_bettens@... 13th Oct


@tluxon And you know that because of the sensor implanted in your brain by the CIA? Does it also starts to buzz when you get near a microwave? :-p







 
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RE: Facebook: Releasing your personal data reveals our trade secrets
Ive Been There 12th Oct


It is time the boys learned to be men and address the concerns of those who made them billionaires. Otherwise we so out number them that we can force our representatives to ban facebook in this country and pass laws making them financially liable to every one. So much for your billions huh?

There are other sites that are more respectful of its member/clients privacy and we all need to vote with our feet. Leave the scum bag at facebook holding stock only worth using as toilet paper.







 
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RE: Facebook: Releasing your personal data reveals our trade secrets
fairportfan 12th Oct


This sounds like a digression, but bear with me.

I love my 1972 Olympus Pen FT half-frame film SLR. It's been my primary camera for years. It takes wonderful pictures.

I recently retires it and ought an (Olympus) DSLR. Why? Because the nearest lab that can print the half-frame negatives if sixty miles away, and one of the most expensive around, to boot.

I swore a might oath years ago that i would stick with film until it was no longer feasible. Well, it isn't any more.

Likewise, i will NOT sign up for Facebook until i absolutely have to to function online.







 
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rocket ride 13th Oct


@fairportfan 

And I thought I'd stop using my film cameras (Olympus OM series, if anyone actually cares) when "they" pried them from my cold, dead fingers, too.







 
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Brings back memories
DNSB 13th Oct


@fairportfan 

Your mentioning the Pen FT brought back memories for me.
Two friends of mine took their trip of a lifetime and used a couple of Pen FTs to record it. The real shocker after the trip was their bill for the processing, printing and/or slide mounting. The colour film was bad enough since they averaged 75 images on a 36 exposure film but they also shot a mass of black and white using Ilford's HP5 thin base 72 exposure film. That gave them about 148 frames on each roll. The total ran about $1400 in 1978(?). OUCH!!!

OTOH, they recently reprinted some of the B&W negatives with excellent results. The colour negatives have faded and the quality of the prints from their Kodachrome slides was spotty at best.







 
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RE: Facebook: Releasing your personal data reveals our trade secrets
tjfoley2 12th Oct


What about you email accounts how long does the provider keep your emails are the deleted from their server when you ask that they be deleted? I was doing some genealogy research got a CD that was said to contain some information about the name. What I found was an old email that I had sent out years ago in doing a search! As someone once told me be careful what you put on line a third party may be reading it! To Facebook if you find any good juicy gossip about me please pass it a long to me I have not heard any in years!







 
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RE: Facebook: Releasing your personal data reveals our trade secrets
sullivanjc 12th Oct


Facebook's privacy is important to them. Yours? Not so much.







 
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UK law
waynemeat 12th Oct


Does UK law not state that any data or information held about the user must be made accessible to them upon request?

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/29/section/7







 
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RE: Facebook: Releasing your personal data reveals our trade secrets
wright_is 12th Oct


@waynemeat But Facebook are in Ireland, so they are trying to hide behind the more lax Irish version of the DPA.







 
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RE: Facebook: Releasing your personal data reveals our trade secrets
freethinkerinfl 12th Oct


DUH.... what do you think they do with all the data that they mine?? Sell it of course. Thats why i dont/wont do FB games or FB Apps. Google is bad enough, but facebook wants to sell your info plus anyone on your friends list. Trade secrets???? Its not rocket science.







 
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RE: Facebook: Releasing your personal data reveals our trade secrets
Devdd 26th Dec


@freethinkerinfl You are just paranoid. No one sells your data. For centuries, people have tried to connect the manufactures of goods to the people who might be interested in doing so. Running advanced statistics on the data sets is just an attempt to make it better. 

Do you think a social network can function without a database?? It needs to store your data to show you your own profile. Also, would you be willing to pay $10/month for the data storage and operations of Facebook to make your user experience better? That way, you will not see the ads and Facebook wouldn't need to run statistical analysis on its database.

If all 800 million users paid that amount, Facebook will make $100 Billion in revenue already and it will save huge costs that it has to incur to run these data analysis and marketing. 

But guess what, 90% of the users wouldn't even pay 1 buck if they were given this choice. That's how much they value the so called 'privacy'. 

Safeway, Wallmart, Amazon all know what kind of products you buy and all your personal information that they use to manage their supply chain and help the vendors. 

Don't make too much fuss about your personal data, Facebook is a billion dollar company, it doesn't need to sell your data!







 
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is it not so obvious than FB = FBI ?
magallanes 12th Oct


The government spend a fortune in security, or more specifically they must justify some expenses. Facebook in this aspect is pretty cheap.

has People been arrested because their facebook profile?. Yes.
Nuff said.







 
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Q: When is our personal data not ours to get?
DaemonSlayer 12th Oct


A: when it is deemed that a corporate entity, or a person who has been using your identity, may expose their personal data.

Do I agree with this practice? a big N-O. As I see it, it is MY information, MY PERSONAL information. I don't see how MY PERSONAL INFORMATION can effect someone's trade secrets. I don't see how, someone who intentionally uses my credit information, as if they were me (and obviously are not) has a right to keep me from MY PERSONAL INFORMATION, just because they chose not to use their own for whatever reason.






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RE: Facebook: Releasing your personal data reveals our trade secrets
Devdd 26th Dec


@DaemonSlayer No one sells your data. For centuries, people have tried to connect the manufactures of goods to the people who might be interested in doing so. Running advanced statistics on the data sets is just an attempt to make it better. 

Do you think a social network can function without a database?? It needs to store your data to show you your own profile. Also, would you be willing to pay $10/month for the data storage and operations of Facebook to make your user experience better? That way, you will not see the ads and Facebook wouldn't need to run statistical analysis on its database.

If all 800 million users paid that amount, Facebook will make $100 Billion in revenue already and it will save huge costs that it has to incur to run these data analysis and marketing. 

But guess what, 90% of the users wouldn't even pay 1 buck if they were given this choice. That's how much they value the so called 'privacy'. 

Safeway, Wallmart, Amazon all know what kind of products you buy and all your personal information that they use to manage their supply chain and help the vendors. 

Don't make too much fuss about your personal data, Facebook is a billion dollar company, it doesn't need to sell your data!







 
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RE: Facebook: Releasing your personal data reveals our trade secrets
sparky52@... 12th Oct


Facebook has been ganster right from the start! Don't need to be genius to figure that one out. Now stop a minute, who did they just crawl into bed with? One of the biggest corps. in the world, and who has or is using your data. Glad that I never did a Facebook page. No reason to be that openly involved with who ever on the net. 








 
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Shared articles?!
dropzone@... 12th Oct


So, I'm reading this article and I see my FB picture and name beside two articles I apparently shafred on Facebook. But, I know me and I would NEVER have clicked a "like" button or a Facebook "share" button. I would've, however, copy-pasted a link from ZDNET to a post on my FB wall. Is Facebook seeing this??

I swear to God I am so out of Facebook!! There, Zuckerberg; HARVEST THAT DATA!







 
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RE: Facebook: Releasing your personal data reveals our trade secrets
onewhospeaks 12th Oct


Check it out...Both Facebook's Chris Hughes and Google's Eric Schmidt were invitees to the 2011 Bilderberg Summit...check it out at http://bilderberg2011.com/bilderberg-members/leaked-attendee-list-bilderberg-conference-june-9-12-2011-in-suvretta-house-hotel-st-moritz-switzerland/

And you wonder why they are keeping so much personal data on everyone...Wonder no more







 
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RE: Facebook: Releasing your personal data reveals our trade secrets
fredzachary 12th Oct


While you don't have to use their service, they have at the very least an obligation to be frank and upfront with you about how they will store, protect and use your data if you choose to use the service. It is, frankly, dishonest to invite you to join their network, to invite your friends to join, and to conceal from you the consequences of doing so. Sorry Facebook, deliberately vague disclaimers in small type on a user agreement don't cut it here. Grow some ethics, Zuckerberg!






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MessagePosté le: Dim 6 Mai - 23:04 (2012)    Sujet du message: QUI VEUT NÉGOCIER AVEC MOI ? Répondre en citant

INTERNET magique, le réseau des réseaux, conçu dans 
les années soixante et connu sous le nom ARPANET, au 
départ peu accessible au grand public et utilisé par des 
initiés, s’est développé en une trentaine d’années pour 
donner naissance à l’Internet accessible à tous. 
L’évolution considérable à ce jour, permet à tout un 
chacun et avec une simplicité extrême de télécharger et 
d’utiliser de nombreux programmes qui facilitent la vie 
de tous les jours. Aujourd’hui, parler et voir son 
correspondant à l’autre bout de la planète, c’est en clic ! 
Et bon nombre de logiciels communicants ont intégré
l’échange multimédia ! Le stéréotype de la nouvelle génération de jeunes nés pour utiliser intuitivement les nouvelles technologies.
Les fameux code binaire, base unique utilisée par les ordinateurs 
pour traiter les données : l’incontournable 1 vrai 0 faux.
Une parfaite maitrise des diverses générations de langages 
structurés aux noms plus ou moins hermétiques : C++, 
Java ... Tous ces langages de programmation sont à 
l’origine de nombreuses applications informatiques que 
nous utilisons quotidiennement et dont les évolutions 
sont constantes : logiciels de gestion, traitement de 
textes, jeux vidéo, etc … 


L’Intelligence Artificielle, s’est également intéressé aux langages innovants développés et utilisés dans les laboratoires de recherches du MIT tel Prolog, OPS5 ou Mercury et également participé avec beaucoup d’intérêts à certains travaux de recherche 
concernant les projections holographiques interactives. 
Cette phase d’étude a été très excitante, la 
représentation de l'écran était en suspension à 
quelques dizaines de centimètres, effleurant d’un doigt 
l’icône de sa messagerie, celle-ci s’ouvrait et présentait 
flottant dans l’espace les derniers mails reçus. A.I aurait 
apprécié poursuive l’expérience. 


L’évolution informatique, vécue au quotidien, 
inconsciemment par les enfants, dès leur enfance jouant avec ses 
consoles de plus en plus performantes et sophistiquées. 
Les adultes près d'eux, éprouvant de grandes 
difficultés pour intégrer les manipulations complexes 
des boutons interactifs des manettes de jeux. A.I comme 
tant d’autres adolescents, fait preuve d’une dextérité 
exceptionnelle. A.I s’émerveille encore des prouesses 
réalisées par les développeurs de jeux, le degré de 
réalisme atteint et surtout l’intégration en réseaux 
permise par Internet.


Internet, d’un clic, la connexion au monde, à d’autres 
mondes ! L’accès à de nouvelles connaissances, des 
univers de découvertes sans fin, des mondes virtuels 
fascinants. 


Les tous premiers groupes constitués de spécialistes : 
chercheurs ou informaticiens, étaient élitistes et peu 
attrayants pour l’internaute lambda. Ils annonçaient 
néanmoins l’émergence de nouveaux concepts plus 
conviviaux : les réseaux sociaux. L’explosion et le succès 
de Facebook, premier réseau social de masse, réunissant 
en très peu de temps, plus de 600 millions d’inscrits est 
l’exemple type de l’offre simple qui répond 
parfaitement à l’attente de l’internaute. Ce dernier 
constitue en toute simplicité, sa communauté d’amis, de 
parents, en somme, il crée son réseau social personnel 
où sans complexe, il publie ses états d’âme, prend 
connaissance des publications de sa communauté, 
dialogue et exhibe sans retenue sa vie privée et même 
celle de ses relations aux moyens de commentaires, de 
photos et vidéos. 


Curieux A.I s’est essayé récemment sur l’un d’eux, 
moins ouvert, plus discret : Second Life, un méta-vers
ou plus simplement un univers virtuel, véritable réseau 
social, conçus et bâtis par les propres membres 
du réseau, chacun donnant libre cours à ses rêves et 
fantasmes.  Il s’est également inscrit 
sur Facebook, Twitter même constat, avec en plus une 
gêne liée au phénomène présent de voyeurisme, 
l’indiscrétion de l’image publiée, le tout circulant à 
toute vitesse bien souvent sans autorisation.


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